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The End of Vinjay

Post by Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:35 pm

[22:11:54] StLedge has joined the chat on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:11 pm

[22:12:22] @ StLedge : Vinjay

[22:12:29] @ StLedge : now we can chat

[22:12:44] @ StLedge : there have been several complaints about you

[22:12:48] rob_of_the_robots : Hi StLedge

[22:12:51] Roverdamus : what about the penalty in the Rovers-Villa game? do you think that was fair?


[22:12:56] @ StLedge : from the last few weeks when you were on

[22:13:00] Vinjay : yes that's right we can

[22:13:08] Vinjay : complaints by whom

[22:13:25] @ StLedge : thats not information I can give out

[22:13:27] Vinjay : not sure I;ve even posted much over the past few weeks

[22:13:49] Vinjay : so I find it hard to establish a reason for any complaints

[22:13:58] @ StLedge : no I understand you havent been on here for a week or so

[22:14:06] @ StLedge : but the comaplaints came before then


[22:14:07] Roverdamus : he hasn't posted since September 3rd


[22:14:09] Vinjay : since I haven't said anything particularly controversial or different to statements over the past year

[22:14:23] Vinjay : complaints about what

[22:14:26] @ StLedge : I have been waiting for you to be on the forum, so this can be said to you

[22:14:33] @ StLedge : but it has been decided that you are to be banned from the forum


[22:14:41] Vinjay : ok

[22:14:43] rob_of_the_robots : Why?

[22:14:43] OldhamRover : harsh


[22:14:55] Roverdamus : that IS harsh

[22:15:02] Roverdamus : if you're even being serious, that is


[22:15:10] @ StLedge : there were complaints from a several people

[22:15:11] Vinjay : dosen't really matter to me to be honest

[22:15:12] OldhamRover : Sad bye Vinjay


[22:15:13] Roverdamus : which I don't think you are

[22:15:22] @ StLedge : if they wish to make themselves know they can

[22:15:22] rob_of_the_robots : Everyone has their own opinion

[22:15:23] Roverdamus : don't ban him

[22:15:26] Roverdamus : I like him


[22:15:34] Vinjay : seems strange that complaints increase when my acticity hasn't been huge recently

[22:15:50] @ StLedge : it's not his opinion that has upset and angered people


[22:15:51] Vinjay : why didn't you just ban me already then

[22:16:13] @ StLedge : like I said I have been waiting for you to be on the forum

[22:16:22] @ StLedge : of which you havent been for a week or so


[22:16:26] Vinjay : are you trying to taunt me or something because honestly I'll just go to 606 and post there

[22:16:37] @ StLedge : but the complaints go back further than that

[22:16:39] wilsbowski has joined the chat on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:16 pm

[22:16:50] @ StLedge : not taunting you at all

[22:17:01] @ StLedge : just letting you know how it is


[22:17:05] Vinjay : well if you wish to ban me then do so

[22:17:20] Roverdamus : what are the complaints about? he does nothing really to offend anyone, as far as I'm aware

[22:17:22] Roverdamus : just annoy


[22:18:28] OldhamRover : the complaints don't go back that far

[22:18:45] @ StLedge : they do to me

[22:18:48] OldhamRover : it was only September 8 that DG asked Willy to complain so that he could ban Vinjay

[22:19:08] wilsbowski : vinj has just been de-oranged

[22:19:13] @ StLedge : I have had complaints from early august

[22:19:27] @ StLedge : maybe even july

[22:19:41] @ StLedge : added to the past ones, something had to be done


[22:19:44] rob_of_the_robots : I've not seen any reason to ban him

[22:19:48] @ StLedge : and it was agreed

[22:19:51] OldhamRover : and what rule has he contravened that would warrant permanent suspension from the site?

[22:20:06] Roverdamus : me neither @ Rob

[22:20:24] wilsbowski : i'm not arsed either way, i just ignore anything he posts

[22:20:30] @ StLedge : section 2

[22:20:37] @ StLedge : quite a few times

[22:20:40] @ StLedge : in the chatbox


[22:20:49] rob_of_the_robots : What is section 2?

[22:20:58] @ StLedge : we didnt have to give him notice but thought it would be better to do so

[22:20:59] rob_of_the_robots : I can't be arsed reading the rules


[22:21:08] OldhamRover : personal attacks?

[22:21:18] @ StLedge : its only the 2nd one down Rob

[22:21:21] @ StLedge : yep


[22:21:25] OldhamRover : if that's true then most people who've talked to him in here need to go too

[22:21:33] OldhamRover : DD should have gone in January/February

[22:21:39] OldhamRover : I should have been banned a few times


[22:22:01] wilsbowski : I should've

[22:22:12] @ StLedge : the rules were put in place because of what happened with DD and yourself


[22:22:18] wilsbowski : least if he is on here we know when he has posted asome shite on bleacher report

[22:22:19] Roverdamus : people have attacked him more than vice-versa

[22:22:20] Roverdamus : brb


[22:22:38] @ StLedge : in responce RD

[22:23:03] rob_of_the_robots : /me' sbattery is dying

[22:23:10] rob_of_the_robots : Darn


[22:23:57] OldhamRover : I know why the rules were put in place, but you'd be banning Vinjay even if we still had none

[22:24:03] OldhamRover : so let's not get off the subject


[22:24:44] wilsbowski : Has he gone?


[22:26:00] @ StLedge : if there were no rules in place, it would be difficult to ban someone

[22:26:17] @ StLedge : they were there, and they were breached

[22:26:20] @ StLedge : more than once

[22:26:33] @ StLedge : the only complaints received were about him


[22:26:55] wilsbowski : Like I said I'm really not arsed either way

[22:27:27] wilsbowski : does he get thrown out of FF leagues as that may boost me a position


[22:27:30] @ StLedge : It was suggested that it was done while he was online, rather than 3 weeks ago when it was decided, he just hasnt been on here

[22:27:41] @ StLedge : no wils


[22:27:51] wilsbowski : balls

[22:28:11] OldhamRover : if there were complaints in July/August then why wasn't he banned then?

[22:28:21] OldhamRover : this isn't the first time he's been on since July


[22:30:02] wilsbowski : since he is no longer here who actually complained? I know africanrover was pissed with him

[22:32:03] @ StLedge : it was still being discussed then OR

[22:32:07] Vinjay has been disconnected the Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:32 pm (session timeout)

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Roverdamus on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:53 pm

It seems very harsh to me. StLedge said Vinjay broke section two of the rules, which is as follows:

Personal attacks, rudeness, 'Flame Wars', insults to others, or arguments will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully. Any member who threatens anyone on the forum, via Private Message, email, or other means will face the possibility of a ban without notice.

If these rules were to be enforced (which they're plainly not being) then half the people on the forum should have been banned. I get the impression Vinjay has been banned simply because he's Vinjay; if it was anybody else then I doubt anyone would have bothered.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:59 pm

:shrug: wrong :shrug:

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by rob_of_the_robots on Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:51 am

Woooooooo, I was involved in the conversation (that's me in the purple doncha know) cheers

Booooooooo, Vinjay has gone Sad

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:55 am

Isn't there supposed to be debate and banter on these things?

Or is it just another Autocrasy?

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Reidy Youre a Star on Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:33 am

Harsh. As has been said, half the forum, including myself (and probably yourself, StLedge) should have been banned by now. It doesn seem that the rules have only been enforced for Vinjay because he's Vinjay. A warning about future conduct might have been more appropriate.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by DodgyGambit on Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:40 am

vinjay was banned from the forum for paragrapgh 2 not section 2

Abusive attacks via e-mail, Private Message or in any other way against the Administrator or any Moderator is wholly unacceptable and will result in a possible ban. Any grievances should be reported to an admin or moderator so that they can be sorted out in a civilised manner.

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by GoodWillieCock on Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:46 am

well i aint gonna say iliked him cos i didnt. But i didnt complain and i wasnt bothered either way plus i dunno what went on so cheers

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Reidy Youre a Star on Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:54 am

Which Admin/Mod was getting abusive PM's/Emails from the Vinjster? Doesn't seem like a particularly Vinjay thing to do. He was an annoyance, but not particularly abusive.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by DodgyGambit on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:00 am

it wasnt PM or email rather the 'in any other way' bit

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:02 am

I agree BSPC, I neither liked nor disliked him per se and I don't know what actually happened either (I suppose only those that binned him do) thanks for posting the narritive Wils but it in itself does not explain the detail of his "axing". I'm only an infrequent interloper on to this forum and enjoy what I thought to be good humoured banter and exchanges of views etc. but perhaps one should watch what one says if it is to be continued in that manner? If it was personal attacks then, so be it, but couldn't his "departure" have been conducted in private too, seems the relative public dismassal has only sparked even more controversy...

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by DodgyGambit on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:47 am

Rover the Sea wrote:good humoured banter

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Willy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:23 am

He was banned from other forums that me and some other members on here have frequented for a lot less, believe me.

Good riddance. He's a dick and although everyone is entitled to an opinion, his opinions were constantly repeated and he managed to turn every thread into something about Jack Walker or a takeover, no matter how irrelevant it was to the original topic.

He deserved his ban - simple as that.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by StLedge on Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:27 am

Yes, comments have been made by other members, but no complaints were raised about them, compliants were raised about Vinjay, and they were acted on.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by African Rover on Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:17 pm

Willy wrote:He was banned from other forums that me and some other members on here have frequented for a lot less, believe me.

Good riddance. He's a dick and although everyone is entitled to an opinion, his opinions were constantly repeated and he managed to turn every thread into something about Jack Walker or a takeover, no matter how irrelevant it was to the original topic.

He deserved his ban - simple as that.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by blackburndan on Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:44 pm

Ha Ha

No More take over talk thank Fuck for that! And as if you can hate Man U more than Burnley this season! I shall miss him lots!!!!!!!!!!!!!(NOT)
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Willy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:48 pm

Before anyone says anything about, "how is it against the rules to go off-topic, since we all do that?", the fact is that when we go off-topic, it's usually because someone's made a joke and then the joke has been carried on by other members, involving everyone (at least everyone who cares) in the joke. Vinjay turned threads into 'The Vinjay Show', and as far as "just ignore him, then" goes, it's hard to ignore one member when various others have become involved in the takeover bollocks he's been spouting. That'd involve ignoring 75% of the members, so what'd be the point in coming here?

He's a troublemaker. No need to feel bad for him, because he'll just find somewhere else to talk shit and be just as happy (or sad) somewhere else.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:18 pm

Willy wrote: No need to feel bad for him, because he'll just find somewhere else to talk shit and be just as happy (or sad) somewhere else.

So, a time for rejoicing?

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Willy on Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:24 pm

Nope, none of that shite, my son!

I just hope it dies now. We've wasted enough time talking about it already, although I'm sure it'll drag on and on, which would kinda defeat the whole purpose of politely telling him to fuck off. Rolling Eyes
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:26 pm

Was he told politely? :shrug:

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:05 pm

Yes, civil and human rights, and all that jazz.

Now then, seriously, who's been banned?

Also...

[22:21:33] OldhamRover : DD should have gone in January/February

[22:21:39] OldhamRover : I should have been banned a few times

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by OldhamRover on Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:26 pm

The idea there was to point out that most of the active members of the forum would be banned if the rules were strictly adhered to. At the time I actually wanted StLedge to say that Vinjay had been banned because of his views and the aggressive manner in which he purveys them, but no admission was forthcoming, and I'm not in the mood to pursue it any further.

As a matter of curiosity I'd appreciate a turn of charitable spirit that might cause the admin to divulge the particulars of Vinjay's offences, but he's gone, the world hasn't imploded as a result, and it appears unlikely that we will be given a proper explanation of the action taken.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:48 pm

Vinjay is managing to get your attention even from beyond the forum grave it would seem! Wink Fuck him OR, he's a douche, and he's done.

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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by OldhamRover on Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:02 pm

I'm not that interested in Vinjay being banned, but I am drawn to the fact that something has happened that I don't know about. Not having the complete story is a problem for me, even if the reality is wholly unsatisfactory. The motives for banning him and whether people have sought to hide their true intentions are far more intriguing than the simple fact that he has gone.

Even if the truth is that he has made offensive comments somewhere that have been deemed beyond the pale, I like to be in the loop. It strikes me that if this is the case it would be better for the admin to make the incident public, rather than keeping it secret and allowing the rest of us to speculate. Of particular interest is where the boundary actually lies now that the admin have become proactive, and whether the rules are applied differently depending on the individual in question.
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Re: The End of Vinjay

Post by Rover the Sea on Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:20 pm

OldhamRover wrote:I'm not that interested in Vinjay being banned, but I am drawn to the fact that something has happened that I don't know about. Not having the complete story is a problem for me, even if the reality is wholly unsatisfactory. The motives for banning him and whether people have sought to hide their true intentions are far more intriguing than the simple fact that he has gone.

Even if the truth is that he has made offensive comments somewhere that have been deemed beyond the pale, I like to be in the loop. It strikes me that if this is the case it would be better for the admin to make the incident public, rather than keeping it secret and allowing the rest of us to speculate. Of particular interest is where the boundary actually lies now that the admin have become proactive, and whether the rules are applied differently depending on the individual in question.

To make the admonition public and keep the facts/causes secret is arse about face. power

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